INTERVIEWER
That’s when you went
back to school.
GIBSON
Those days it was
fantastically easy to get a degree at UBC. I discovered very quickly that they
were in effect paying me for studying things I was already interested in. I
could cool it for four years, and I wouldn’t have to worry about what I was
going to do for the rest of my life.
But my wife started to
talk about having a child. She already had a job, a real job at the university.
Everyone I had known during that four-year period was also trying to get a job.
It startled me. They hadn’t really been talking about getting jobs before. But
some part of me I had never heard from before sat me down and said, You’ve been
bullshitting about this art thing since you were fifteen years old, you’ve
never done anything about any of it, you’re about to be shoved into the adult
world, so if you’re going to do anything about the art thing, you’ve got to do
it right now, or shut up and get a job.
That was really the
beginning of my career. My wife continued to have a job after she had the baby,
so I became the caregiver guy, the house husband guy, and simultaneously I
found that it actually provided ample time to write. When he was asleep, I
could write, I knew that was the only time I would have to write. Most of the
short fiction I wrote at the beginning was written when our son was asleep.
INTERVIEWER
You wrote your first
story for a class, didn’t you?
GIBSON
A woman named Susan
Wood had come to UBC as an assistant professor. We were the same age, and I met
her while reconnoitering the local science-fiction culture. In my final year
she was teaching a science-fiction course. I had become really lazy and
thought, I won’t have to read anything if I take her course. No matter what she
assigns, I’ve read all the stuff. I’ll just turn up and bullshit brilliantly,
and she’ll give me a mark just for doing that. But when I said, “Well, you
know, we know one another. Do I really have to write you a paper for this
class?” She said, “No, but I think you should write a short story and give me
that instead.” I think she probably saw through whatever cover I had erected
over my secret plan to become a science-fiction writer.
I went ahead and did
it, but it was incredibly painful. It was the hardest thing I did in my senior
year, writing this little short story. She said, “That’s good. You should sell
it now.” And I said, “No.” And she said, “Yeah, you should sell it.” I went and
found the most obscure magazine that paid the least amount of money. It was
called Unearth. I submitted it to them, and they bought it and gave me
twenty-seven dollars. I felt an enormous sense of relief. At least nobody will
ever see it, I thought. That was “Fragments of a Hologram Rose.”
INTERVIEWER
How did you meet John
Shirley?
GIBSON
Shirley was the only
one of us who was seriously punk. I’d gone to a science-fiction convention in Vancouver , and there I
encountered this eccentrically dressed young man my age who seemed to be
wearing prison pajamas. He was an extremely outgoing person, and he introduced
himself to me: “I’m a singer in a punk band, but my day job is writing science
fiction.” I said, “You know, I write a little science fiction myself.” And he
said, “Published anything?” And I said, “Oh, not really. This one story in this
utterly obscure magazine.” He said, “Well, send me some of your stuff, I’ll
give you a critique.”
As soon as he got home
he sent me a draft of a short story he had written perhaps an hour beforehand:
“This is my new genius short story.” I read it—it was about someone who
discovers there are things that live in bars, things that look like drunks and
prostitutes but are actually something else—and I saw, as I thought at the
time, its flaws. I sat down to write him a critique, but it would have been so
much work to critique it that instead I took his story and rewrote it. It was
really quick and painless. I sent it back to him, saying, “I hope this won’t
piss you off, but it was actually much easier for me to rewrite this than to do
a critique.” The next thing I get back is a note—“I sold it!” He had sold it to
this hardcover horror anthology. I was like, Oh, shit. Now my name is on this
weird story.
People kept doing that
to me, and it’s really good that they did. I’d give various friends stuff to
read, and they’d say, “What are you going to do with this?” And I’d say,
“Nothing, it’s not nearly there yet.” Then they’d Xerox it and submit it on my
behalf, to places I would have been terrified to submit to. It seemed unseemly
to me to force this unfinished stuff on the world at large.
INTERVIEWER
Do you still consider
that work unfinished?
GIBSON
I had a very limited
tool kit when I began writing. I didn’t know how to handle transitions, so I
used abrupt breaks, the literary equivalent of jump cuts. I didn’t have any
sense of how to pace anything. But I had read and admired Ballard and
Burroughs, and I thought of them as very powerful effect pedals. You get to a
certain place in the story and you just step on the Ballard.
INTERVIEWER
What was the effect?
GIBSON
A more genuine kind of
future shock. I wanted the reader to feel constantly somewhat disoriented and
in a foreign place, because I assumed that to be the highest pleasure in
reading stories set in imaginary futures. But I’d also read novels where the
future-weirdness quotient overwhelmed me and simply became boring, so I tried
to make sure my early fiction worked as relatively solid genre pieces. Which I
still believe is harder to do. When I started Neuromancer, for instance, I wanted to
have an absolutely familiar, utterly well-worn armature of pulp plot running
throughout the whole thing. It’s the caper plot that carries the reader
through.
INTERVIEWER
What do you think of Neuromancer today?
GIBSON
When I look at Neuromancer I see a Soap Box Derby car. I felt,
writing it, like I had two-by-fours and an old bicycle wheel and I’m supposed
to build something that will catch a Ferrari. This is not going to fly, I
thought. But I tried to do it anyway, and I produced this garage artifact,
which, amazingly, is still running to this day.
Even so, I got to the
end of it, and I didn’t care what it meant, I didn’t even know if it made any
sense as a narrative. I didn’t have this huge feeling of, Wow, I just wrote a
novel! I didn’t think it might win an award. I just thought, Phew! Now I can
figure out how to write an actual novel.
INTERVIEWER
How did you come up
with the title?
GIBSON
Coming up with a word
like neuromancer is something that would earn you a really fine vacation if you
worked in an ad agency. It was a kind of booby-trapped portmanteau that
contained considerable potential for cognitive dissonance, that pleasurable
buzz of feeling slightly unsettled.
I believed that this
could be induced at a number of levels in a text—at the microlevel with
neologisms and portmanteaus, or using a familiar word in completely unfamiliar
ways. There are a number of well-known techniques for doing this—all of the
classic surrealist techniques, for instance, especially the game called
exquisite corpse, where you pass a folded piece of paper around the room and
write a line of poetry or a single word and fold it again and then the next
person blindly adds to it. Sometimes it produces total gibberish, but it can be
spookily apt. A lot of what I had to learn to do was play a game of
exquisite-corpse solitaire.
INTERVIEWER
Where did cyberspace
come from?
GIBSON
I was painfully aware
that I lacked an arena for my science fiction. The spaceship had been where
science fiction had happened for a very long time, even in the writing of much
hipper practitioners like Samuel Delany. The spaceship didn’t work for me,
viscerally. I know from some interviews of Ballard’s that it didn’t work for
him either. His solution was to treat Earth as the alien planet and perhaps to
treat one’s fellow humans as though they were aliens. But that didn’t work for
me. I knew I wouldn’t be able to function in a purely Ballardian universe. So I
needed something to replace outer space and the spaceship.
I was walking around
Vancouver, aware of that need, and I remember walking past a video arcade,
which was a new sort of business at that time, and seeing kids playing those
old-fashioned console-style plywood video games. The games had a very primitive
graphic representation of space and perspective. Some of them didn’t even have
perspective but were yearning toward perspective and dimensionality. Even in
this very primitive form, the kids who were playing them were so physically
involved, it seemed to me that what they wanted was to be inside the games,
within the notional space of the machine. The real world had disappeared for
them—it had completely lost its importance. They were in that notional space,
and the machine in front of them was the brave new world.
The only computers I’d
ever seen in those days were things the size of the side of a barn. And then
one day, I walked by a bus stop and there was an Apple poster. The poster was a
photograph of a businessman’s jacketed, neatly cuffed arm holding a life-size
representation of a real-life computer that was not much bigger than a laptop
is today. Everyone is going to have one of these, I thought, and everyone is
going to want to live inside them. And somehow I knew that the notional space
behind all of the computer screens would be one single universe.
INTERVIEWER
And you knew at that
point you had your arena?
GIBSON
I sensed that it would
more than meet my requirements, and I knew that there were all sorts of things
I could do there that I hadn’t even been able to imagine yet. But what was more
important at that point, in terms of my practical needs, was to name it
something cool, because it was never going to work unless it had a really good
name. So the first thing I did was sit down with a yellow pad and a Sharpie and
start scribbling—infospace, dataspace. I think I got cyberspace on the third
try, and I thought, Oh, that’s a really weird word. I liked the way it felt in
the mouth—I thought it sounded like it meant something while still being
essentially hollow.
What I had was a
sticky neologism and a very vague chain of associations between the bus-stop
Apple IIc advertisement, the posture of the kids playing arcade games, and
something I’d heard about from these hobbyist characters from Seattle called the Internet. It was more
tedious and more technical than anything I’d ever heard anybody talk about. It
made ham radio sound really exciting. But I understood that, sometimes, you
could send messages through it, like a telegraph. I also knew that it had begun
as a project to explore how we might communicate during a really shit-hot
nuclear war.
I took my neologism
and that vague chain of associations to a piece of prose fiction just to see
what they could do. But I didn’t have a concept of what it was to begin with. I
still think the neologism and the vague general idea were the important things.
I made up a whole bunch of things that happened in cyberspace, or what you could
call cyberspace, and so I filled in my empty neologism. But because the world
came along with its real cyberspace, very little of that stuff lasted. What
lasted was the neologism.
INTERVIEWER
Where did you get the
prefix cyber?
GIBSON
It came from the word
cybernetics, which was coined around the year I was born by a scientist named
Norbert Wiener. It was the science of feedback and control systems. I was
familiar with the word through science fiction more than anything else.
Science fiction had
long offered treatments of the notional space inside the computer. Harlan
Ellison had written a story called “I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream,” which
was set in what we would call a virtual world within a computer. You could even
go back to Ray Bradbury’s story “The Veldt,” which was one of his mordantly
cautionary fables about broadcast television. So I didn’t think it was terribly
original, my concept of cyberspace. My anxiety, rather, was that if I had
thought of it, twenty or thirty other science-fiction writers had thought of it
at exactly the same time and were probably busy writing stories about it, too.
There’s an idea in the
science-fiction community called steam-engine time, which is what people call
it when suddenly twenty or thirty different writers produce stories about the
same idea. It’s called steam-engine time because nobody knows why the steam
engine happened when it did. Ptolemy demonstrated the mechanics of the steam
engine, and there was nothing technically stopping the Romans from building big
steam engines. They had little toy steam engines, and they had enough
metalworking skill to build big steam tractors. It just never occurred to them
to do it. When I came up with my cyberspace idea, I thought, I bet it’s
steam-engine time for this one, because I can’t be the only person noticing
these various things. And I wasn’t. I was just the first person who put it
together in that particular way, and I had a logo for it, I had my neologism.
INTERVIEWER
Were you hoping to
make cyberspace feel unfamiliar when you were first writing about it?
GIBSON
It wasn’t merely
unfamiliar. It was something no one had experienced yet. I wanted the reader’s
experience to be psychedelic, hyperintense. But I also knew that a more
rigorous and colder and truer extrapolation would be to simply present it as
something the character scarcely even notices. If I make a phone call to London right now, there’s
absolutely no excitement in that—there’s nothing special about it. But in a
nineteenth-century science-fiction story, for someone in Vancouver
to phone someone in London
would have been the biggest thing in the story. People in the far-flung reaches
of the British Empire will all phone London
one day!
Giving in to this
conflict, I inserted an odd little edutainment show running on television in
the background at one point in Neuromancer—“Cyberspace, a consensual
realm.” Partly it was for the slower reader who hadn’t yet figured it out, but
also it was to get me off the hook with my conscience, because I knew I was
going to hit the pulp buttons really big-time and do my best to blow people out
of the water with this psychedelic cyberspace effect.
Of course, for the
characters themselves, cyberspace is nothing special—they use it for
everything. But you don’t hear them say, Well, I’ve got to go into cyberspace
to speak to my mother, or I’ve got to go to cyberspace to get the blueberry-pie
recipe. That’s what it really is today—there are vicious thieves and artificial
intelligence sharks and everything else out there, swimming in it, but we’re
still talking to our mothers and exchanging blueberry-pie recipes and looking
at porn and tweeting all the stuff we’re doing. Today I could write a version
of Neuromancer where
you’d see the quotidian naturalistic side, but it wouldn’t be science fiction.
With the fairly limited tool kit I had in 1981, I wouldn’t have been able to do
that, and, of course, I didn’t know what it would be like.
INTERVIEWER
What was needed that
you were missing?
GIBSON
I didn’t have the
emotional range. I could only create characters who have really, really super
highs and super lows—no middle. It’s taken me eight books to get to a point
where the characters can have recognizably complex or ambiguous relationships
with other characters. In Neuromancer, the whole range of social
possibility when they meet is, Shall we have sex, or shall I kill you? Or you
know, Let’s go rob a Chinese corporation—cool!
I knew that cyberspace
was exciting, but none of the people I knew who were actually involved in the
nascent digital industry were exciting. I wondered what it would be like if
they were exciting, stylish, and sexy. I found the answer not so much in punk
rock as in Bruce Springsteen, in particular Darkness on the Edge of Town, which
was the album Springsteen wrote as a response to punk—a very noir, very
American, very literary album. And I thought, What if the protagonist of
Darkness on the Edge of Town was a computer hacker? What if he’s still got
Springsteen’s character’s emotionality and utterly beat-down hopelessness, this
very American hopelessness? And what if the mechanic, who’s out there with him,
lost in this empty nightmare of America ,
is actually, like, a robot or a brain in a bottle that nevertheless has the
same manifest emotionality? I had the feeling, then, that I was actually
crossing some wires of the main circuit board of popular culture and that
nobody had ever crossed them this way before.
INTERVIEWER
How did the Sprawl, a
megalopolis stretching from Atlanta to Boston , originate?
GIBSON
I had come to Vancouver in 1972, and I
wasn’t really trying to write science fiction until 1982. There was a decade
gap where I’d been here and scarcely anywhere else—to Seattle for the odd weekend, and that was it.
I was painfully aware of not having enough firsthand experience of the
contemporary world to extrapolate from. So the Sprawl is there to free me from
the obligation to authentic detail.
It had always felt to
me as though Washington , D.C. ,
to Boston was
one span of stuff. You never really leave Springsteenland, you’re just in this
unbroken highway and strip-mall landscape. I knew that would resonate with some
readers, and I just tacked on Atlanta
out of sci-fi bravura, to see how far we could push this thing. Sometimes in
science fiction you can do that. The reader really likes it if you add Atlanta , because they’re
going, Shit, could you do that? Could that be possible? If you’re visiting the
future, you really want to have a few of the “shit, could they do that?”
moments.
INTERVIEWER
Do readers often ask
you to explain things about your books you yourself don’t understand?
GIBSON
The most common
complaint I received about Neuromancer, from computer people, was
that there will never be enough bandwidth for any of this to be possible. I
didn’t want to argue with them because I scarcely knew what bandwidth was, but
I assumed it was just a measure of something, and so I thought, How can they
know? It’s like saying there’ll never be enough engines, there’ll never be
enough hours for this to happen. And they were wrong.
INTERVIEWER
Why did you set the
novel in the aftermath of a war?
GIBSON
In 1981, it was pretty
much every intelligent person’s assumption that on any given day the world
could end horribly and pretty well permanently. There was this vast,
all-consuming, taken-for-granted, even boring end-of-the-world anxiety that had
been around since I was a little kid. So one of the things I wanted to do with Neuromancer was to write a novel in which the
world didn’t end in a nuclear war. In Neuromancer, the war starts, they lose
a few cities, then it stops when multinational corporations essentially take
the United States apart so that can never happen again. There’s deliberately no
textual evidence that the United
States exists as a political entity in Neuromancer.
On the evidence of the text America
seems to be a sort of federation of city-states connected to a
military-industrial complex that may not have any government controlling it.
That was my wanting to get away from the future-is-America thing. The irony, of
course, is how the world actually went. If somebody had been able to sit me
down in 1981 and say, You know how you wrote that the United States is gone and the Soviet
Union is looming in the background like a huge piece of immobile
slag? Well, you got it kind of backward.
That war was really a
conscious act of imaginative optimism. I didn’t quite believe we could be so
lucky. But I didn’t want to write one of those science-fiction novels where the
United States and the Soviet Union nuke themselves to death. I wanted to write
a novel where multinational capital took over, straightened that shit out, but
the world was still problematic.
INTERVIEWER
The world of the
Sprawl is often called dystopian.
GIBSON
Well, maybe if you’re
some middle-class person from the Midwest . But
if you’re living in most places in Africa ,
you’d jump on a plane to the Sprawl in two seconds. Many people in Rio have worse lives than the inhabitants of the Sprawl.
I’ve always been taken
aback by the assumption that my vision is fundamentally dystopian. I suspect
that the people who say I’m dystopian must be living completely sheltered and
fortunate lives. The world is filled with much nastier places than my
inventions, places that the denizens of the Sprawl would find it punishment to be
relocated to, and a lot of those places seem to be steadily getting worse.
INTERVIEWER
There’s a famous story
about your being unable to sit through Blade Runner while writing Neuromancer.
GIBSON
I was afraid to watch Blade
Runner in the theater
because I was afraid the movie would be better than what I myself had been able
to imagine. In a way, I was right to be afraid, because even the first few
minutes were better. Later, I noticed that it was a total box-office flop, in
first theatrical release. That worried me, too. I thought, Uh-oh. He got it
right and nobody cares! Over a few years, though, I started to see that in
some weird way it was the most influential film of my lifetime, up to that
point. It affected the way people dressed, it affected the way people decorated
nightclubs. Architects started building office buildings that you could tell
they had seen in Blade Runner. It had had an
astonishingly broad aesthetic impact on the world.
I met Ridley Scott
years later, maybe a decade or more after Blade Runner was released. I told him what Neuromancer was made of, and he had basically the
same list of ingredients for Blade Runner. One of the most powerful
ingredients was French adult comic books and their particular brand of
Orientalia—the sort of thing that Heavy Metal magazine began translating in the
United States .
But the simplest and
most radical thing that Ridley Scott did in Blade Runner was to put urban archaeology in
every frame. It hadn’t been obvious to mainstream American science fiction that
cities are like compost heaps—just layers and layers of stuff. In cities, the
past and the present and the future can all be totally adjacent. In Europe , that’s just life—it’s not science fiction, it’s
not fantasy. But in American science fiction, the city in the future was always
brand-new, every square inch of it.
INTERVIEWER
Cities seem very
important to you.
GIBSON
Cities look to me to
be our most characteristic technology. We didn’t really get interesting as a
species until we became able to do cities—that’s when it all got really
diverse, because you can’t do cities without a substrate of other technologies.
There’s a mathematics to it—a city can’t get over a certain size unless you can
grow, gather, and store a certain amount of food in the vicinity. Then you
can’t get any bigger unless you understand how to do sewage. If you don’t have
efficient sewage technology the city gets to a certain size and everybody gets
cholera.
INTERVIEWER
It seems like most if
not all of your protagonists are loners, orphans, and nomads, detached from
families and social networks.
GIBSON
We write what we know,
and we write what we think we can write. I think so many of my characters have
been as you just described because it would be too much of a stretch for me to
model characters who have more rounded emotional lives.
Before we moved to Vancouver , my wife and I went to Europe .
And I realized that I didn’t travel very well. I was too tense for it. I was
delighted that I was there, and I had a sense of storing up the sort of
experiences I imagined artists had to store up in order to be artists. But it
was all a bit extreme for me—Franco’s Spain is still the only place I’ve
ever had a gun pointed at my head. I always felt that everybody else had
parents somewhere who would come and get their ass out of trouble. But nobody
was going to come get me out of trouble. Nobody was going to take care of me.
The hedonic risk taking that so many of my peers were into just made me
anxious. A lot of people got into serious trouble taking those risks. I never
wanted to get into serious trouble.
INTERVIEWER
The protagonist of Count
Zero, Bobby Newmark, has a comparatively mundane life—he lives with
his mother.
GIBSON
One of the very first
so-called adult science-fiction novels I ever read was Starship Troopers by
Robert Heinlein. I’d gone away on a trip with my mother and I had nothing to
read, and the only thing for sale was this rather adult-looking paperback. I
was barely up to the reading skill required for Starship Troopers, but I can
remember figuring out the first couple of pages, and it blew the top off my
head. Later, when I managed to read it all the way through, I got the feeling
that I was more like the juvenile delinquents who got beat up by the Starship
Troopers than I was like the Starship Troopers themselves. And I remember
wondering, Where did the juvenile delinquents go after they got beaten up by
the Starship Troopers? What happened to them? Where did they live? Bobby is
sort of the answer. They lived with their mothers and they were computer
hackers!
INTERVIEWER
In Mona
Lisa Overdrive, your third novel, Bobby ends up in a peculiar
contraption called the “Aleph.”
GIBSON
I think I was starting
to realize that the only image I had for total artificial intelligence or total
artificial reality was Borges’s Aleph, a point in space that contains
all other points. In his story “The Aleph,” which may be his greatest, Borges
managed to envision this Aleph without computers or anything like them. He
skips the issue of what it is and how it works. It just sits there under the
stairs in the basement of some old house in Buenos Aires, and nobody says why,
but you have to go down the stairs, lie on your back, look at this thing, and
if you get your head at the right angle, then you can see everything there is,
or ever was, anywhere, at any time.
I think I was probably
twelve years old when I read that, and I never got over the wonder of that
story, and how Borges in this very limited number of words could make you feel
that he’s seen every last thing in the universe, just by sonorously listing a
number of very peculiar and mismatched items and events. If Bobby was going to
go somewhere, that was probably going to be it.
INTERVIEWER
What interested you
about Joseph Cornell?
GIBSON
Beginning with Count
Zero I had the
impulse to use the text to honor works of art that I particularly loved or
admired. With Mona Lisa Overdrive, it’s heavily
Joseph Cornell, especially his extraordinary talent to turn literal garbage
into these achingly superb, over-the-top, poetic, cryptic statements.
Gradually, Cornell
became a model of creativity for me. I’ve always had a degree of impostor
syndrome about being or calling myself an artist, but I’m pretty sure that
there’s some way in which I’m an outsider, and what I’m doing has to be
outsider art. I felt that I’ve worked with found objects at times in a similar
way because I valued bits of the real world differently than I valued the bits
I created myself.
When I was going to
start writing All Tomorrow’s Parties, John Clute
suggested to me that all of my books had become Cornell boxes. The Bridge in Virtual
Light, he said, was my biggest Cornell box. It really spooked me. I
think that’s why I wound up burning the Bridge.
INTERVIEWER
Tell me about the
Bridge.
GIBSON
The Bridge is a fable
about counterculture, the kind of counterculture that may no longer be
possible. There are no backwaters where things can breed—our connectivity is so
high and so global that there are no more Seattles
and no more Haight-Ashburys. We’ve arrived at a level of commodification that
may have negated the concept of counterculture. I wanted to create a scenario
in which I could depict something like that happening in the recognizably near
future.
I woke up one morning
in San Francisco and looked out the window and
had this great archetypal San
Francisco experience—there was nothing but fog.
Nothing but fog except this perfectly clear diorama window up in the air,
brilliantly lit by the sun, containing the very top of the nearest support tower
of the Bay Bridge . I couldn’t see anything else in
the city, just this little glowing world. I thought, Wow, if you had a bunch of
plywood, two-by-fours, you could build yourself a little house on top of that
thing and live there.
The Bridge novels were
set just a few years into the future, which is now a few years in the past, and
so they read almost like alternate-history novels—the present in flamboyant
cyberpunk drag. And the Bridge itself, a shantytown culture improvised in the
wake of a devastating Bay Area earthquake, is a piece of emergent technology.
INTERVIEWER
Many readers have
argued that the Bridge books offer a theory of technology.
GIBSON
More like a
rubbing—like rubbing brass in a cathedral or a tombstone in a graveyard. I’m
not a didactic storyteller. I don’t formulate theories about how the world
works and then create stories to illustrate my theories. What I have in the end
is an artifact and not a theory.
But I take it for
granted that social change is driven primarily by emergent technologies, and
probably always has been. No one legislates technologies into emergence—it
actually seems to be quite a random thing. That’s a vision of technology that’s
diametrically opposed to the one I received from science fiction and the
popular culture of science when I was twelve years old.
In the postwar era,
aside from anxiety over nuclear war, we assumed that we were steering
technology. Today, we’re more likely to feel that technology is driving us,
driving change, and that it’s out of control. Technology was previously seen as
linear and progressive—evolutionary in that way our culture has always
preferred to misunderstand Darwin .
INTERVIEWER
You don’t see
technology evolving that way?
GIBSON
What I mainly see is
the distribution of it. The poorer you are, the poorer your culture is, the
less cutting-edge technology you’re liable to encounter, aside from the
Internet, the stuff you can access on your cell phone.
In that way, I think
we’re past the computer age. You can be living in a third-world village with no
sewage, but if you’ve got the right apps then you can actually have some kind
of participation in a world that otherwise looks like a distant Star Trek
future where people have plenty of everything. And from the point of view of
the guy in the village, information is getting beamed in from a world where
people don’t have to earn a living. They certainly don’t have to do the stuff
he has to do everyday to make sure he’s got enough food to be alive in three
days.
On that side of
things, Americans might be forgiven for thinking the pace of change has slowed,
in part because the United
States government hasn’t been able to do
heroic nonmilitary infrastructure for quite a while. Before and after World War
II there was a huge amount of infrastructure building in the United States
that gave us the spiritual shape of the American century. Rural
electrification, the highway system, the freeways of Los
Angeles —those were some of the biggest things anybody had ever
built in the world at the time, but the United States really has fallen far
behind with that.
INTERVIEWER
Is computer technology
not heroic?
GIBSON
I do think it’s a
really big deal, although the infrastructure is not physical. There’s hardware
supporting the stuff, but the digital infrastructure is a bunch of zeros and
ones—something that amounts to a kind of language.
It looks to me as
though that prosthetic-memory project is going to be what we are about, as a
species, because our prosthetic memory now actually stands a pretty good chance
of surviving humanity. We could conceivably go extinct and our creations would
live on. One day, in the sort of science-fiction novel I’m unlikely ever to
write, intelligent aliens might encounter something descended from our
creations. That something would introduce itself by saying, Hey, we wish our
human ancestors could have been around to meet you guys because they were
totally fascinated by this moment, but at least we’ve got this PowerPoint we’d
like to show you about them. They don’t look anything like us, but that is
where we came from, and they were actually made out of meat, as weird as that
seems.
INTERVIEWER
When did you decide to
write about the contemporary world?
GIBSON
For years, I’d found
myself telling interviewers and readers that I believed it was possible to
write a novel set in the present that would have an effect very similar to the
effect of novels I had set in imaginary futures. I think I said it so many
times, and probably with such a pissy tone of exasperation, that I finally
decided I had to call myself on it.
A friend knew a woman
who was having old-fashioned electroshock therapy for depression. He’d pick her
up at the clinic after the session and drive her not home but to a fish market.
He’d lead her to the ice tables where the day’s catch was spread out, and he’d
just stand there with her, and she’d look at the ice tables for a really long
time with a blank, searching expression. Finally, she’d turn to him and say,
“Wow, they’re fish, aren’t they!” After electroshock, she had this experience
of unutterable, indescribable wonderment at seeing these things completely
removed from all context of memory, and gradually her brain would come back
together and say, Damn, they’re fish. That’s kind of what I do.
INTERVIEWER
What is “pattern recognition”?
GIBSON
It is the thing we do
that other species on the planet are largely incapable of doing. It’s how we
infer everything. If you’re in the woods and a rock comes flying from somewhere
in your direction, you assume that someone has thrown a rock at you. Other
animals don’t seem capable of that. The fear leverage in the game of terrorism
depends on faulty pattern recognition. After all, terrorist acts are rare and
tend to kill fewer people than, say, automobile accidents or drugs and alcohol.
INTERVIEWER
Had you already begun
to write Pattern Recognition before 9/11?
GIBSON
I had but as soon as
that happened just about everything else in the manuscript dried up and blew
away.
INTERVIEWER
Why did the September
11 attacks have such an effect on you?
GIBSON
Because I had had this
career as a novelist, Manhattan was the place in
the United States
that I visited most regularly. I wound up having more friends in New York than I have anywhere else in the United States .
It has that quality of being huge and small at the same time—and noble. So
without even realizing it, I had come to know it, I had come to know lower Manhattan better than any place other than Vancouver . When 9/11
happened it affected me with a directness I would never have imagined possible.
In a strange sort of
way that particular relationship with New York
ended with 9/11 because the post–9/11 New
York doesn’t feel to me to be the same place.
INTERVIEWER
Are you glad you wrote
a book that had so much 9/11 in it?
GIBSON
I’m really glad. I
felt this immense gratitude when I finished, and I was sitting there looking at
the last page, thinking, I’m glad I got a shot at this thing now, because for
sure there are dozens of writers all around the world right this minute,
thinking, I have to write about 9/11. And I thought, I’m already done, I won’t
have to revisit this material, and it’s largely out of my system.
INTERVIEWER
Alongside that public
narrative runs a very private one, with Cayce chasing through the maze of the
Internet after the source of some mesmerizing film material she calls “the
footage.”
GIBSON
Having assumed that
there were no longer physical backwaters in which new bohemias could spawn and
be nurtured, I was intrigued by the idea and the very evident possibility that
in the post-geographic Internet simply having a topic of sufficient obscurity
and sufficient obsessive interest to a number of geographically diverse people
could replicate the birth of a bohemia.
When I started writing
about the footage, I don’t think I had ever seen a novel in which anybody had
had a real emotional life unfolding on a listserv, but I knew that millions of
people around the world were living parts of their emotional lives in those
places—and moreover that the Internet was basically built by those people! They
were meeting one another and having affairs and getting married and doing
everything in odd special-interest communities on the Internet. Part of my
interest in the footage was simply trying to rise to the challenge of
naturalism.
INTERVIEWER
You’ve called science
fiction your native literary culture. Do you still feel that way, having
written three books that are set in the present?
GIBSON
Yes, but native in the
sense of place of birth. Science fiction was the first literary culture I
acquired, but since then I’ve acquired a number of other literary cultures, and
the bunch of them have long since supplanted science fiction.
INTERVIEWER
Do you think of your
last three books as being science fiction?
GIBSON
No, I think of them as
attempts to disprove the distinction or attempts to dissolve the boundary. They
are set in a world that meets virtually every criteria of being science
fiction, but it happens to be our world, and it’s barely tweaked by the author
to make the technology just fractionally imaginary or fantastic. It has, to my
mind, the effect of science fiction.
If you’d gone to a
publisher in 1981 with a proposal for a science-fiction novel that consisted of
a really clear and simple description of the world today, they’d have read your
proposal and said, Well, it’s impossible. This is ridiculous. This doesn’t even
make any sense. Granted, you have half a dozen powerful and really excellent
plot drivers for that many science-fiction novels, but you can’t have them all
in one novel.
INTERVIEWER
What are those major
plot drivers?
GIBSON
Fossil fuels have been
discovered to be destabilizing the planet’s climate, with possibly drastic
consequences. There’s an epidemic, highly contagious, lethal sexual disease
that destroys the human immune system, raging virtually uncontrolled throughout
much of Africa . New York
has been attacked by Islamist fundamentalists, who have destroyed the two
tallest buildings in the city, and the United
States in response has invaded Afghanistan
and Iraq .
INTERVIEWER
And you haven’t even
gotten to the technology.
GIBSON
You haven’t even
gotten to the Internet. By the time you were telling about the Internet, they’d
be showing you the door. It’s just too much science fiction.
Okay, so are we just suppose to summarize this??
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